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  WTF? Tried Jehovahs Witnesses to delete Raymond from Wikipeda a couple minutes ago?

  by Dold Agenda in

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  i was just googling jehovas and this appears in the list at wikipedia abou raymond franz.. *theinformationon this page was removed by responsible members of the legal coorporation of jehovah's witnesses,watchtower bible and tract society of new york,inc for the sole purpose that this page spread false information about a former member of jehovah's witnesses.the authors of the page are liable and did not remain neutral with regards to the information presented.we request you write a written apology to us..

  wtf!?.

  apperently that didint work out.. (cur | prev)17:32, 29 january 2013 titodutta(talk | contribs) m.

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  never a jw

  Besty,

  Since clarity in writing is important to you, can you explain your statement below?

  "Nor am I a member of a bully click"
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  Why did you pick the name you have now

  by label licker in

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  just wondering if your name describes what you saw, how you were treated when you were "in" or now "out", maybe your personality, ect.... i'm label licker and the why i picked this name was because of all the licking up one side of elders and down the other to either be an elder or ministerial servant.

  one time i was standing right in front of this brother who wasn't made an ms yet and he totally ignored me and talked right over my head speaking really loud trying to catch the co's attention.. got sick of watching the poor elderly sitting all alone or standing against the wall like a wall flower with noone to talk to and yet all these label lickers would take turns picking up the elders elderly parents and take them shopping and do their groceries at least four times a week while out in service, yet, there was noone there to take a meal to a sister who just got out of the hospital with a heart attack.

  when i had shown up at her apartment with a meal she asked if i could wash her private and change her bandages.

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  Never a JW. Turned atheist at 13 or 14. Remain so until now, 34 years later. Now, after learning everything I have learned about JW's, the Bible and religion in general, I am a full blown staunch atheist. Never a JW before, never will. Rutherford was right. Religion is a snare and a racket.
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  Not sure what to do next

  by magotan in

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  i'm 19, and i'm still currently a jw.

  i guess i'm a born-in, or whatever you guys call it.

  i've had some serious issues with the faith at the moment, and sexuality is a huge part.

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  Magotan

  I see that you are too considerate with others but not with yourself. You are only 19, do not live for the sake of others. Your parents had their chance and made their choices. There's nothing wrong with your making your choices selfishly as long as you don't purposely attempt to hurt others. If your father steps down there's one less elder working for the Watchtower. That's a good thing. Another good thing is that your father will be able to take a break and spend time with the family. It's a win win situation even if it doesn't appear so.
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  Just had an elder drop in for a visit

  by biometrics in

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  just had an elder drop in for a visit.

  asking why i hadn't been to the meetings for over two years.

  i told him there's a lot of things i don't agree with.. .

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  The organization is starting to acknowledge mistakes? Really?

  About 100 years ago, a reader of the WT publications brought to the attention of Charles T. Russell how mistaken his chronology was. Today they still write the most intellectually dishonest articles still supporting CTR chronology.
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  WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

  by AnnOMaly in

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  out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

  on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

  "clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

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  Thanks Ann,

  For a quick second when I was writing 607/606 and 587/586 I thought something was not right, but the thought left without my discovering the error in that comment. However, the years in the tables are all right, I think. I am no longer confident when you are around; you have quite an eye to discover any kind of mistake.

  I just checked the city I chose for my calculations. It is only 40 miles south af Al Hillah.

  Before Ann catches another error, I just want to note that I misspelled "descending" in the headings of table

  Thanks again for the corrections.
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  WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

  by AnnOMaly in

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  out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

  on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

  "clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

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  I just realized that the tables are so long for a computer screen that it is necessary to scroll up and down to see the explanatory notes at the bottom and compare them with the raw data across the table. If anyone is interested, send me a PM and I can get you a 2 page PDF file (one page per table), or just print it from the JWN page.
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  WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

  by AnnOMaly in

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  out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

  on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

  "clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

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  I used the Sky X to calculate all positions in the tables (same program used by the researchers of the Watchtower) and all calculated positions were for an observer in An Najaf (32:32:11 N 44:25:15 E) a city located 100 miles south of Baghdad. The location chosen is close to, or maybe it is, the location were the ancient Babylonians made their observations for VAT4956
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  WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

  by AnnOMaly in

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  out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

  on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

  "clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

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  VAT 4956 LINE	Type of obser- vation	Five years tested for observations of VAT 4956. Organized in discending order of their success rate					Success Rate for "Wrong" Years by Type of Observation
  		568/567	587/586	549/548	569/568	588/587
  1	M	P	P	P	P	F	All percentages below are for wong years
  12	M	P	P	P	P	F
  5'	M	P	P	P	P	P
  6'	M	P	P	P	P	P	Lunar Positions in relation to a Constellation
  12'	M	P	P	P	P	P
  14'	M	P	P	F	F	P	Match rate	83%
  3	Mm	F	F	P	F	P
  8	Mm	P	P	P	P	F
  14	Mm	F	P	F	F	P
  15	Mm	P	F	P	F	F	Lunar Positions referenced by its distance to a common star.
  16	Mm	P	F	F	F	F
  13'	Mm	P	P	F	P	F	Match rate	42%
  4	L	P	F	F	F	F
  11	L	P	P	P	F	F
  12	L	P	P	P	F	F
  17	L	P	P	F	F	F
  5'	L	P	P	F	F	F
  12'	L	P	P	P	F	P	Lunar threes (time intervals)
  16'	L	P	F	F	P	F	Match rate	36%
  2	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  3	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  9	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  10	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  11	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  12,13	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  13	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  13	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  3'	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  5'	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  6'	PL	P	F	P	F	F
  12'	PL	P	F	F	P	F
  16'	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  17'	PL	P	F	F	F	F
  19'	PL	P	F	F	F	F	Planetary positions
  19'	PL	P	F	F	F	F	Match rate	3%
  16	SS	P	P	P	F	F
  Grand Total "pass"		34	15	13	9	7
  Grand Total "fail"		2	21	23	27	29
  Total (M) out of 6		6	6	5	5	4
  Total (Mm) out of 6		4	3	3	2	2
  Total (L) out of 7		7	5	3	1	1
  Total (PL) out of 16		16	0	1	1	0
  Summer Solstice		1	1	1	0	0
  Total Success Rate		568/567	587/586	549/548	569/568	588/587
  per year in descen-		94%	42%	36%	25%	19%
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  588/587	Watchtower's year for VAT 4956 (lowest "pass" rate)
  568/567	Conventional year for VAT 4956 (highest "pass" rate)
  M	Moon position in relation to a constellation
  Mm	Moon positions in relation to a star (distance provided)
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  WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

  by AnnOMaly in

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  out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

  on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

  "clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

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  VAT 4956 LINE	Type of obser- vation	Same Metonic Cycle		Same Metonic Cycle			Calculations with Highest Average Success Rate (only for the 4 lowest scoring years)
  		Eclipse on July 15		Eclipse on July 4, July 5
  		588/587	569/568	587/586	568/567	549/548
  1	M	F	P	P	P	P		75%
  2	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  3	Mm	P	F	F	F	P
  3	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  4	L	F	F	F	P	F
  8	Mm	F	P	P	P	P		75%
  9	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  10	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  11	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  11	L	F	F	P	P	P
  12	M	F	P	P	P	P		75%
  12	L	F	F	P	P	P	NOTE: Moon positions tend to generate high success rate for the wrong years (see all seven framed values above/below this comment). On the other hand, almost all planetary computations for the wrong years fail to match the observations (62 of 64) of VAT 4956.
  12,13	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  13	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  13	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  14	Mm	P	F	P	F	F
  15	Mm	F	F	F	P	P
  16	SS	F	F	P	P	P
  16	Mm	F	F	F	P	F
  17	L	F	F	P	P	F
  3'	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  5'	M	P	P	P	P	P		100%
  5'	L	F	F	P	P	F
  5'	PL	F	F	F	P	F	Also, see blue note below.
  6'	PL	F	F	F	P	P
  6'	M	P	P	P	P	P		100%
  12'	M	P	P	P	P	P		100%
  12'	L	P	F	P	P	P		75%
  12'	PL	F	P	F	P	F
  13'	Mm	F	P	P	P	F
  14'	M	P	F	P	P	F	Success rate for year 588/587	Avg. Succes rate for 4 LOWEST score years	Success rate for year 568/567
  16'	L	F	P	F	P	F
  16'	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  17'	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  19'	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  19'	PL	F	F	F	P	F
  Grand Total "pass"		7	9	15	34	13	19%	31%	94%
  Grand Total "fail"		29	27	21	2	23	Success rate by category
  Total (M) out of 6		4	5	6	6	5	67%	83%	100%
  Total (Mm) out of 6		2	2	3	4	3	33%	42%	67%
  Total (L) out of 7		1	1	5	7	3	14%	36%	100%
  Total (PL) out of 16		0	1	0	16	1	0%	3%	100%
  Summer Solstice		0	0	1	1	1	0%	50%	100%
  Total Success Rate		588/587	569/568	587/586	568/567	549/548	NOTE: The matches in a blue background are the combined lunar observations (M and Mm). Notice that the year 587/586, wrong year, has a count (6+3) almost as high as that of the conventional year 568/567 (6+4).
  per year		19%	25%	42%	94%	36%
  588/587	Watchtower's year for VAT 4956 (lowest "pass" rate)
  568/567	Conventional year for VAT 4956 (highest "pass" rate)
  M	Moon position in relation to a constellation
  Mm	Moon positions in relation to a star (distance provided)
  PL	Planetary position					NOTE: All dates for years 569/568 and 588/587 are invalid . These years start a month later than the accepted and largely attested Babylonian lunar calendar.
  L	Lunar 3's (intervals SS to MS, SR to MS, MR to SR)
  P	Pass (observation and calculation are a match)
  F	Fail (observation and calculation are not a match)
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  WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

  by AnnOMaly in

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  out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

  on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

  "clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

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  I became very interested in the article several months ago because I found it quite interesting that the Watchtower had actually few lunar position matches. So I decided to test different years following the procedure the Watchtower followed. I found 3 other years with an eclipse close to the date of the eclipse of year 568/567 (July 4). I decided to test all 36 observations (few observations were excluded because the date is missing) for all 5 years including the RIGHT YEAR and the infamous 607/606 B.C.E. The results appear in the tables below. Some of the wrong years actually get more matches than the Watchtower’s year. The 1 st table is organized in chronological order. The 2 nd table is organized from left to right, from best to worst performer; and from top to bottom, by type of observation. If you look at the column on the right with percentages, it’s easy to see why the Watchtower chose to talk about lunar observations, and decided to shun lunar threes and planetary positions. They got the fewest matches, and when one consider that the entire calendar fabricated by the Watchtower is not valid one can conclude there’s not a single match

  Below are some of the false statements in the article “When was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed”(pg. 25-28 of the Nov. 2011 issue). The tables below prove all of them false. If anyone is interested in all the details of my study send me a PM.

  1. “Because of the superior reliability of the lunar positions, researchers have carefully analyzed these 13 sets of lunar positions on VAT 4956”. FALSE. THE LUNAR POSITIONS ARE THE LEAST RELIABLE BECAUSE OBSERVATION/CALCULATION MATCHES APPEAR WITH A HIGH SUCCESS RATE EVEN IN THE WRONG YEARS

  2. “all 13 sets match calculated positions for 20 years earlier, for the year 588/587 B.C.E.” FALSE . ONLY 6 FIT, AND IF ONE CONSIDERS THAT THE CALENDAR FABRICATED BY THE WATCHTOWER DOES NOT FIT WITH THE ACCEPTED AND LARGELY ATTESTED BABYLONIAN CALENDAR, THEN NONE OF THE CALCULATED POSITIONS FIT

  3. “Clearly, much of the astronomical data in VAT 4956 fits the year 588 B.C.E. as the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar II” FALSE

  4. “17. Babilonian… B ecause the cuneiform signs for many of the planetary positions are open to speculation and to several interpretations, these positions were not used in this survey to pinpoint the year intended by this astronomical diary.” FALSE , ALL PLANETARY POSITIONS AND NAMES ARE UNAMBIGUOUS AND FIT YEAR 587/586 B.C.E. NONE FIT 607/606 BCE.

  5. “18a. These time intervals (“lunar threes”) are the measurement of time from, for example, sunset to moonset …. Such measurements were not reliable.” FALSE, ALL TIME MEASUREMENT ARE QUITE ADEQUATE, AND ALL 7 LUNAR THREES FIT YEAR 587/586 B.C.E. VERY WELL. ONLY ONE BARELY FITS YEAR 607/606 BCE